A review of “The House of Black and White,” the second episode of the fifth season of “Game of Thrones”
by Miodrag Zarković

Let’s take a somewhat different approach this time. Let’s critique “Game of Thrones” by actually praising something they’ve done.
The first episode of Season 5 introduced flashbacks, but the second episode started with an even bigger precedent: a scene without burping, farting, cursing, whoring, lusting, humiliating, ridiculing, castrating, mutilating, insulting, chastising, tutoring, delivering quasi-philosophies . . . In short, it was a scene in which nobody was making a misery out of someone else’s life to any extent.
“The House of Black and White” opens with Arya on a ship entering the port of Braavos while the captain briefs her on the city, and then he takes the girl to her final destination, from which the episode borrowed its title. It is the same ship Arya embarked at the end of previous season, and the captain is apparently the same person as last year, which could indicate David Benioff and Dan Weiss, the two showrunners, finally resolved their recurring problems with continuity. But that’s not the point. The point is that the captain was not only helpful but also nice to Arya, and she was visibly grateful for that.
Trying to remember the last time two characters in the show had a decent, good-natured exchange, one might have to go back to the first season. And even then, those were the characters already bonded by family or friendship ties (for example, Ned’s respective scenes with Cat, Robert and Arya), or characters directed at each other by their positions (Ned/Barristan). Two persons that are almost complete strangers to one another? Yeah, Arya/Captain could very well be the first ever in the show.
(Tyrion/Yoren from episode three could qualify, had Benjen not interrupted.)
Ironically, it was a small departure from the books, where the captain was visibly eager to get rid of Arya (though he never denies her his service), but at the same time this TV scene is easily among the most faithful ones to the source material as a whole. The world George R. R. Martin built in his “A Song of Ice and Fire” book series is populated by people that aren’t unlike us and they happen to interact with each other in ways that clearly resemble human interactions from our reality. While the story is indeed focused on lords and ladies and other highborn people, ordinary folks are never too far away and most usually they’re reasonably decent to strangers they happen to meet on streets, or at the market, or at the inn. Of course, that somewhat changes in times of war and accompanying horrors, but never vanishes. And that is what gives the utmost realistic aspect to Martin’s world. If you don’t want realism to be jeopardized by gradually introduced supernatural elements like dragons and resurrections, you have to ground it in the most basic forms of humanity. That’s what the world-building should be in a character and culture-driven story.
“Game of Thrones” is, sadly, not that kind of story. Its characters are overwhelmingly inconsistent, and its societies are both superficial and unsustainable. And one of the main reasons is that for four seasons we practically didn’t have a single example of ordinary human decency. Instead, Benioff and Weiss clearly enjoy treating their viewers to a misery porn. In their world, common folks are constantly vulgar, rude, greedy, vile, touchy and aggressive, often without any reason or provocation whatsoever.
Perhaps that’s how Benioff and Weiss are trying to detail their world as adult and mature, but in effect they’re accomplishing exactly the opposite.
And that is why Arya’s story collapses as soon as she parts ways with the captain. When she knocks, a hooded man opens the black-white door and—guess what?—he doesn’t even want to hear her out. After uttering some cryptic ominous warning, he slams the door right in front of her nose and never opens it again, even though Arya spends what looks like days at the stairs and under heavy rain. She finally decides to move on, tosses Jaqen’s coin in the river and goes further into the city, where, later in the episode, she’s about to engage in a fight with some young bullies when—guess what?—the hooded man suddenly appears behind her, forcing the bullies to run away, after which Arya follows him back to the House of Black and White.
If a reason for any of this ever existed, it surely never left Benioff and Weiss’ writing room.
And then a small discontinuity occurs: when the hooded man changes his face to that of Jaqen, he also changes his voice to that of Jaqen. In the finale of Season Two, when the original Jaqen performed the same magic, he changed appearances, but not the voice. One more not too important but nevertheless evident detail the showrunners failed to remember from their own work.
But all that is small potatoes compared to the problems with the second scene, in which Brienne and Pod cross paths with Littlefinger and Sansa once again, this time at the inn. Let’s start with the biggest, most bizarre problem of all: horses.
Benioff and Weiss are known to have had issues with horses in the past, due to how difficult these animals are for filming, but this was a whole new level. Pay attention to this little dialogue between Brienne and Pod, that ensues after he spotted Sansa, Littlefinger and a bunch of knights at the opposite side of the inn:
Brienne: “Ready the horses!”
Pod: “We only have one horse.”
Brienne: “Find. More.
If you think about it even for a second, this exchange is as stupid as they come. Like, are horses a commodity in Westeros or aren’t they? Are they hard to obtain or not? If they are, then how the hell is Pod to “find more” in no time? If they aren’t, what the hell were Brienne and Pod doing with just one horse all this time?
For comparison, imagine a similar dialogue but on modern Earth, where cars are the prime mode of transportation: “Go start our cars.” “We have only one car.” “Find more!” See how absurd it gets when put in a familiar environment? And that is the biggest, most frequent deficiency of the show: too much of the stuff Benioff and Weiss came up with is completely unsustainable in any reasonable and logical surrounding.
Issues like those are dealt with on basic levels of writing classes, or even acting classes for that matter. There, one learned early on to be vigilant about the details that could betray the fundamental illusion the audience is being drawn into by the artist, be it a creator or a performer. It’s details that most easily corrode the glamor, whether the audience recognizes it instantly and consciously or not. And in the case of GOT, it’s not even that hard to immediately recognize all the missteps the show creators are making in every given episode.

After the nonsense with the horses, there’s a rare, and therefore remarkable, example of consistency in the show in regards to Brienne: she’s still to meet a Stark girl’s company she won’t start a fight with. Last year it was Sandor escorting Arya, this time around it’s the knights of the Vale escorting Sansa. It’s as if her actual priority is not to protect late Lady Catelyn’s daughters, but to kill everyone who happens to protect them at the moment. Here, she killed two of the knights that guarded Littlefinger and Sansa, but only because she had to rescue Pod. What was her initial intent is hard to tell, just like with great many of the actions characters in the show undertake. Once again, if Brienne ever had anything that resembles a plan when she ordered Pod to “ready the horses,” it’s still well and safe in the writing room of Benioff and Weiss.
Brienne also seems sworn to never mention a sister to any of the Stark girls. Just like last year she didn’t tell Arya anything about Sansa (which was understandable, truth be told), in this episode she managed to hide from Sansa the fact that she saw Arya recently. Again, a consistency! Not in logic, but at least in writing. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Bronn’s not as lucky as Brienne. His reasoning changes rapidly, as witnessed in the first scene he appears in this season. Last year, he refused to be Tyrion’s champion against Gregor Clegane because he wasn’t too much into “if and may and could.” However, when Jaime Lannister presented him with an offer that is nothing but “if and may and could,” Bronn accepted. And, in all fairness, Jaime’s offer is way more dangerous than Tyrion’s. Gregor Clegane was a beast, a freak of nature, a killing monster, but Dorne is an entire region. Kidnapping a royal hostage from the heart of a hostile region and bringing her back safely half a continent away, well, that sounds quite more perilous than challenging one man, even if it happens to be The Mountain.
But it’s not only perilous, it’s also absolutely stupid, at least on Jaime’s part. The entire plan is. First, why bring just Bronn along? Why not one more sellsword, or a knight? Why not two more? A party of three or four can be as light and fast as a pair, and the extra fighter or two can really make a difference between life and death on a mission like this one. The only reason one can think of is that, per the industry’s common wisdom, the buddy comedy commands just two participants. Since the showrunners obviously liked the “chemistry” between Jaime and Bronn, they saw no reason to disturb it by bringing more people into the mix, even if the in-story logic would have it otherwise.
Second, and even more important, what’s Jaime’s goal anyway if he actually doesn’t want to start a war, as he says to Cersei when he pitches his brilliant idea to her? How does he expect Dorne to react once he kidnaps Myrcella right from their very court and thus breaks the deal that sealed their shaky alliance? What is this world in which suicide missions like Jaime’s are actually expected not only to succeed but also to have no consequences whatsoever?
Stannis has Melisandre and her shadow-babies? Big deal! The Lannisters have Jaime. He’s a shadow-baby on cocaine! Jaime can reach further than Mel’s creatures and can perform much more sophisticated operations than just trust a shadow dagger through one’s throat. How come the Lannisters hadn’t thought of using him that way before?
While he’s in Dorne, by the way, would Jaime be kind enough to remove whoever was directing the scenes staged in that particular region of Westeros? So far we had just one such a scene, but it was enough. In it, Ellaria Sand, paramour of the late Oberyn Martell, confronts Oberyn’s brother and Dorne’s Prince Doran, demanding his approval to tear poor Myrcella to pieces, in retaliation for Oberyn’s death. Everything’s cartoonish about that piece of television: the dialogue is worded expectedly poorly, the camera work is more than lacking (when you’re having one of the most amazing locations in the world as your set, why not show its full beauty from, say, an aerial view?), and the acting is so one-note it hurts. Indira Varma as Ellaria and Alexander Siddig as newly-introduced Doran are experienced actors and proven in other roles. So, for the fact that neither of them changes their face expression during their minute-and-a-half long conversation, it’s probably the director who’s responsible.
The situation in Meereen is something not even Jaime the Commando could solve. When the story entered that city, apparently it ended 1) slavery, and 2) rationality. And sadly, nobody’s fighting to restore the latter, while the former has numerous champions, some of them even hiding inside the walls. What are they doing there? How did they get there? How did they ever plan to get out of there? Well, we’re like the Unsullied in patrol, too conspicuous, so we’ll probably never be told.
What does Dany want to do with the captured Son of the Harpy? To put him on trial, of course, like any reasonable 21st century leader only should. The problem is, she’s not in the 21st century. She’s ruling a recently conquered medieval-like city that used to run on slavery for centuries, so the very idea of a trial for such an unquestionable offense is rather preposterous. But even that aside, what would be the point of the trial in this particular instance? Is the captured fellow denying he’s a member of the terrorist group that’s behind the murders? Can he at all, considering the way he was captured? “We do not know what this man did or didn’t do, give him a trial at least,” says Ser Barristan, but in all actuality they do know the captured man was hiding inside the wall with weapons and a mask. What, he was hiding in the wall by accident? And what judicial bodies would conduct a trial? Would the trial be open? Would the accused therefore get the chance to address the masses and spread the poisonous ideas of his group? Really, how would a trial even look like?
We’ll never know, only not because we’re too conspicuous but because Mossador took the justice into his own hands and killed the prisoner. Did Mossador himself get a fair trial? Well, no. He was denied all those mysterious judicial possibilities that were meant for the Son of the Harpy. Mossador was simply executed in front of thousands of citizens of Meereen, both ex-slaves and former slavers. And of course, the former didn’t take it too kindly. How did they react? As if they came from Monty Python’s famous 1979 film “Life of Brian”: there’s a very similar scene in there, with the crowd of followers gathered outside of Brian’s window and answering unanimously to his complicated questions; the difference is, the Monty Python’s scene was meant to ridicule scenes like the execution of Mossador; Benioff and Weiss therefore have the dubious honor of being alluded to in a Monty Python movie 36 years ago.
It’d be interesting to find out what Benioff and Weiss really think of those poor ex-slaves in Meereen. What they think of their show’s viewers, however, is pretty evident and most precisely articulated in the Wall scenes in this episode.
The image they have of their core audience is illustrated by the members of the Night’s Watch in the elections: they can be persuaded into anything. A few lines by Samwell Tarly, who’s likely a stand-in for the modern TV critics that keep praising “Game of Thrones” in their weekly reviews, was all it took for both the voters and the viewers to forget what an incompetent fool Jon Snow was for the previous three seasons. Strangely, it also served to erase the memory of Sam’s advice to Jon just a minute earlier, when he was urging Jon to accept Stannis’ proposition. Even Sam seemed to completely forget about it: one moment he was prompting Jon to leave the Night’s Watch, next moment he was nominating his friend to lead the Black Brothers.
Once again, it was a blatant example of the show not taking itself seriously at all and going back on its own internal logic in just a minute or thereabouts. That has to be a new record.
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And what Benioff and Weiss think of the viewers they inherited from the source material, they showed in the scene in which Selyse Baratheon chastises her daughter Shireen. “All your books and you still don’t know,” says the Queen at the Wall.
Yes, all our books, and we basically have no idea what is going on in this show that was supposed to be an adaptation of those books. And, so far, it doesn’t look like the show is better off because of it. Quite the opposite.
You make some good points. However, they almost get lost in this massive block of text because the lay-out isn’t exactly reader friendly. I think it would be a good idea to break the text up into paragraphs that are visually separate. It’ll help with readability as well as clearly mark when you address the different plot points of this episode.
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Sorry about that, it was an editing error 🙂 Now fixed.
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Excellent, excellent post. And I swear one of the only things making me feel sane, because the response to these episodes is so largely positive.
“What, he was hiding in the wall by accident? And what judicial bodies would conduct a trial? Would the trial be open? Would the accused therefore get the chance to address the masses and spread the poisonous ideas of his group? Really, how would a trial even look like?”
This made me laugh a lot. It’s a thing the show does a lot: they appeal to our modern day sensibilities with ideals like “trial good!” or “homophobia bad!” but it’s something that either lacks meaning or the proper context within Westeros. It’s cheap and it completely destroys any chance of the audience becoming truly immersed. Same as when they suddenly use terms like “country” and “politician.” Sounds great to them and it quickly conveys something, but it’s mostly just lazy.
Great points about Arya. I hadn’t been criticizing that part of the episode too heavily because it at least resembled something from the books, which no other storyline can boost right now. But you hit the nail on the head: why *did* “Jaqen” refuse to let her enter? Was his plan to wait until she went back to catching birds in the street all along? It’s just a complete lack of logic, and yes, quite unrealistic.
Gahhh. Thank you for writing this.
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That they do. As I mentioned on the forums, they did the same thing with Ned spitting on the ancient bedding tradition cause… he looks really so damn progressive and modern? Well in reality it comes across as utterly stupid.
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Excellent review, Miodrag!
In this episode, the scene I found most puzzling is Ellaria’s demand to have Myrcella delivered back to her mother in small pieces. Does this woman not know how Oberyn understood vengeance as not wanton brutalisation of children, since his own quest was due to the wanton brutalisation of children (and a woman) and they “don’t hurt little girls in Dorne”? That’s one huge character change. I’d have understood if she had vengeful thoughts and supported the Snakes, even though that is also out of character for her but can be understood in the context of mourning, when one isn’t rational. But Ellaria looks like a bloodthirsty monster there, a bloodthirsty monster with a peculiar accent, too.
I bring this up of all the questionable scenes from the episode because this would establish another “consistency” of the showrunners: the women who in the books are the ones opposed to vengeance are the ones that in the show want an eye for an eye. Catelyn “Will that bring back my Ned?” Stark was treated to this same turnaround when she supported Robb going for Lannister blood. And now Ellaria. If “Avenge them!” is any indication, I’d not be surprised if Sansa gets a vengeful streak too.
What exactly is so wrong with advocating for peace and desisting from vengeance in D&D’s world, I wonder? If they want relentless, no-quarter-given-nor-asked bloodshed, that’s on them, but turning the pacifist characters into the revengeful ones is too much.
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“What exactly is so wrong with advocating for peace and desisting from vengeance in D&D’s world, I wonder? If they want relentless, no-quarter-given-nor-asked bloodshed, that’s on them, but turning the pacifist characters into the revengeful ones is too much.”
D&D are going the grimdark route – and, you know, grimdark is all about the violence, rape, torture, death, gore and unrelenting cynicism! Grimdark has no place for reason or hope – it’s not EdgyTM! *sarcasm off*
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Another keen review, Miodrag. The pervasive follies of this show have really helped to sharpen your natural sense of humour 😉
To begin with your analysis on Arya’s scenes, it reminded me of last season when she was with the Hound and they came across that poor farmer, who offered them food and shelter in return for honest work, only to be robbed by the Hound the next day. Clearly D&D thought this was another dose of harsh reality™ but all it really did – besides doing further injustice to the Hound’s character – was to remove the possibility of one redeeming facet of humanity in Arya and Sandor’s experiences together, and instead go for the easy “life is shit” philosophy that this show appears to be committed to advocating week after week.
I don’t know if you’ve seen this interview yet with the director for this episode, but it’s equal parts revealing and frustrating:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-director-nightmare-shoot-789822
His point on the guest directors having to take their own direction from the showrunners makes sense, of course, but it just further highlights the likely futility of any hope that this series can get better. The problems are with the total vision held by the showrunners, and it affects all aspects of the show’s creation.
There’s also Gwendoline Christie’s interview – http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/19/game-thrones-brienne-interview – where she says that the script outlines Sansa as trying to warn Brienne away:
“Brienne kneels before Sansa in an exact mimic of the oath she made to Catelyn Stark,” Christie says. “And Sansa says, ‘No.’ But in the script, it says there’s the tiniest look in Sansa’s eyes. The script says the look is telling Brienne: ‘Get the f–k out of Dodge.’”
Did any of that come through remotely in the scene we watched between these characters? As far as I recall, and I’m open to correction here, we had no quick close up on Sansa’s face to indicate her feeling somewhat differently to LF about Brienne showing up; no shifting of eyes or hand gesture; or whatever appropriate technique or covert signal would have worked to convey that impression. This is just one more example where we see the disconnect between GOT’s stated goals and how they’re executed.
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@brashcandie: The entire production is a mess, because D&D’s most likely constantly find themselves between the rock and a hard place. Look at “True detective” for comparison: due to A-list actors it casts, that show is in the area of GOT in regards to costs. Reportedly, an episode of TD’s first season averaged 4-4.5 million, which is close to GOT’s first season episodes that cost 6 million in average. And the first season of TD was a huge critical and commercial success, which, naturally, only increased the demand for the second season. But, when TD’s creator asked for some extra time for season 2, HBO allowed it, and instead of January, like last year, the new season will premiere in June this year.
Now, imagine what would’ve happen to D&D if they were to ask for a similar favor? Their poor selves keep repeating GOT can’t be delayed a single day, not realizing they’re only revealing how low HBO thinks of them actually. Every other highly respected HBO drama followed its own schedule and had its seasons wrapped up in its own time: The Sopranos (one season was waited for almost two years if I recall correctly), The Wire, Deadwood… D&D and GOT never got that treatment from HBO. Not to mention the infamous incident with Bush’s head, when HBO rushed to distance itself from the two knuckleheads, which was probably a precedent.
Then factor in constant changes in directors’ line-up, and also in the writers’ team (Martin’s exile included), and frequent rumors about actors demanding this or that and practically blackmailing D&D, and there’s the entire picture of D&D’s “reputation” in the house they work for and in the industry.
And don’t let me start on those two editing blasphemies I bored everyone to death with. Let’s just say that it was a clear and early sign nobody takes D&D and their project seriously, because none of the professionals in the technical staff of GOT would ever allow anything like that in their other jobs.
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Now you’ve gotten me mightily interested in any possible backstage shenanigans. I have no idea what goes on behind the scene. I do notice, however, that they’ve lost a lot of talent from the earlier seasons.
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It definitely doesn’t come out as if Sansa is trying to warn Brienne away for her own good. If that was the intent, I am not seeing it. If some have said it’s visible, then we’d have to look at the timing of their observation, to see if it came before or after Christie’s interview where she spells it out for the viewers.
Additionally, there’s one line of dialogue in Littlefinger’s argument as to why Brienne isn’t to be trusted that is a head-scratcher: he says he grew up with Catelyn in Riverrun and he never knew she had a sworn sword. How is that? Littlefinger hasn’t seen her in years, and so far as he knows she could have gotten one, dozens for all he knew, especially now in a time of war when everyone’s safety is at risk and Catelyn is the mother of the King in the North. And Sansa, as her daughter, would know even better than Littlefinger whether her mother had or hadn’t a sworn sword ever in her life, or if she’d take one, and even so, she’s been away for years and doesn’t know what her mother has been doing.
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I’m really surprised by the interview with Christie because, as you said, it did not come across at all as if Sansa was trying to warn Brienne away out of concern. Sansa comes off as snotty and Brienne was just stupid to barrel her way in to confront LF and Sansa in the first place. Pod had the better idea. I’m actually shocked that they would even think to write it that way at all considering how they have portrayed both Sansa and Brienne on the show.
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Yeah, I don’t get what’s with the “snotty” Sansa portrayal and her perpetual look of faint distaste. Is this to clue us into something about her feelings about LF? If so, they’re missing the mark by a mile. Everyone in the scene appeared to be playing it perfectly straight and in the personalities we’ve gotten accustomed to on the show by now. But I suppose we can prepare ourselves for another wild plot twist with absolutely no development soon.
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It is never good when the people in the production have to explain the scenes. That means that they didn’t manage to convey what they meant.
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Once again, thanks everyone for replies.
@chebyshov: Their modern sensitivities are in total contrast with the setting and its logic, but also with something Martin himself hinted at in one of his more recent interviews: that ASOIAF doesn’t carry any “message” about any particular political and social system, but tries to put some eternal pillars of human societies under scrutiny that is contextual. So yeah, it’s not just that D&D misunderstood this character or that one, but they also seem to be completely oblivious of Martin’s main goals and interests.
@miladyofyork: Yes, that’s something I unfortunately failed to catch and put in the review. Ellaria is not only a complete opposite of her book namesake, but she’s also inconsistent with her characterization from previous season and with Oberyn/Dorne’s basic morals. Female characters seem to be a perennial obstacle for D&D.
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Yep. They’re definitely failing with the female characters. I’m still furious about the re-write of Catelyn, who is my favorite character in the books. Her story is so gripping and her character so realistic as a feudal noblewoman (in complete contrast to Ned, but he had to be stupid for plot reasons).
That they’ve completely cut Arianne and significantly rewritten Brienne just compounds the mess. Then add the cavalier use of naked women as pointless windowdressing with a good dollop of sexual violence – and you have a show that often feels decidedly unfriendly towards a female audience, which is a shame because the story itself has so many different and interesting women in it – and their struggles within and against the confines of a extremely brutal and patriarchal society is IMO one of the big themes of the book series. (Though I do side-eye Martin for a certain degree of the lurid when it comes to his depictions of sexual violence, especially in the latter books).
I’m a huge fan of the Starz show Outlander (though I just can’t get into the books) and watching the wedding scene in that show (written and directed by a woman, BTW), it really highlighted everything that is wrong with the way GoT portrays sex.
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I have to respectfully disagree about Ned, he wasn’t stupid, and his arc, while obviously headed where the plot needed it to (everything in the books is happening because martin wanted it that way, after all), always felt very natural to me, e.g, reasonably built up. Smart people make huge mistakes in real life all the time, and Ned wasn’t an exception. His character was also somewhat ruined in the show, and I’ll never ever understand how did D&D come up with a brilliant idea to put him off-screen for almost two entire episodes, between his imprisonment and his execution. But 1) Sean Bean saved his arc, and 2) compared to what D&D did with other characters, Ned could be even considered a faithful adaptation.
About female characters in general and Catelyn in particular, we’re completely in agreement. And in my eyes, the character that was ruined most effectively is Melisandre. What damage D&D managed to do with her relatively little screen-time, that’s something to behold, really. Starting with the casting, then with Carice’s acting, then with the writing of course, and finally even with her dress and hair color this season, there’s not a single thing about her they got right. And all of it probably started because they wanted to sex her up. After all, they have to think about the pervert side of the audience.
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Maybe stupid was too strong a word. However, there are many things about Ned and how he and Cat raised their daughters that simply don’t make much sense to me simply because their actions don’t fit the context of the world they inhabit. Maybe I know too much about how such feudal societies worked and the roles of the people who lived in them, but Ned is simply not a convincing feudal lord in the first book – and the way the girls are raised make no sense at all in that setting: Arya is portrayed as a modern tomboy and Sansa as a victorian damsel, Why is that so? 1) Because the first book is very much plotdriven rather than charactdriven and GRRM is quite heavyhanded with the steering of the plot.
I know a lot of people love Sean Bean as Ned but I was actually rather dissapointed with his performance. He phoned it in most of the time – but to each her own, I guess.
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Have to ask: what’s so unconvincing about Ned as a feudal lord? Especially in the first book. As far as I remember, about his rule in the North we find out more in later books (through exposition and people’s recollections) than in AGOT, and nothing seemed unrealistic to me, even though I’m also not unfamiliar with feudal societies. (In the region I live in, some parts are still almost feudal like in regards to living conditions and family rules.) If you’re talking about Ned’s tenure as the Hand, again, I don’t see what’s unconvincing there. He was a rather unconventional figure, both as the Lord of Winterfell and as the Hand, which is somewhat ironic because he also tried to be traditional, but I believe all that is masterfully explained in Bran’s last chapter in AGOT, when Osha carries him to the crypt and he tells her about the history of the Starks. There, one can see a certain disharmony between some of Ned’s decisions and Starks’ tradition, which is perfectly in accord with the fact Ned was raised in the Vale and never trained for or meant to be the Lord of Winterfell. That’s something I’d never call heavy-handed, and that entire chapter is definitely not there for plot related reasons.
As for his daughters, again, nothing seems wrong there to me. They are very different to one another, but then again, so are his sons, and it’s all very realistic. And the best thing is, neither Sansa nor Arya are in any way clichéd characters. Arya is a tomboy of course, but I never got a modern vibe from her. She just happens to have a penchant for some of the “boys’ stuff”, which is unprecedented neither in the story itself (Lyanna) nor in our history. As for Sansa, yes, daughters of great lords were often groomed to be as courteous, nothing strange there, but she’s also fully realized as this layered and believable character that takes on a rather unconventional arc: I mean, SanSan – is there anything less conventional and at the same time as brilliant?
Had AGOT neglected principal characters’ development, I guess the whole story would inevitably suffer. The one complaint I have on AGOT is that, for my taste, it was over-edited. I can’t help but think that the editing of that book denied us some “breeding space” later books clearly have. I’m certainly glad GRRM changed the editor after the first book.
As for Sean Bean, yeah, we disagree there. But that’s the nature of performing arts. A performance I liked may very well look like lacking to you, and we both can be right of course, because performing arts are all about impressions, not opinions. That’s why I tend not to write about acting in my reviews, but Ellaria/Doran scene was so bad I couldn’t resist, really.
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I’ll get back to you on this one because it’ll be quite a lengthy reply.
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Yes, I was yelling at the TV when Ellaria made that remark because Oberyn would never have wanted to cut up a child in pieces. In fact, he specifically said that they don’t harm little girls in Dorne and as the love of Oberyn’s life she should know that.
And the female character that I am most upset about these days (I’ve given up on their portrayal of Sansa because hoping for anything better is futile at this point) is Brienne. They have turned her into a brute whereas in the books Brienne had a soft vulnerable side that made her a much more complex and interesting character than this one note bully on the show. Show Brienne’s nickname should be Brienne the brute, not Brienne the beauty.
As for the Arya story, the only way I can make sense out of her not being admitted right away is that it was some sort of test. Other than that, I got nothing. And here’s another thing that doesn’t make sense. Much as I like Jaqen’s face to look at, how is Arya supposed to forget who she is and become no one when she is looking at the face of a man who helped her and has a history with her as Arya Stark?
Finally, I just need to vent and say that this is not even about nerdraging over the fact that they have made changes from the books so much as it is about what they have changed making no sense! In some cases they are not even following their own changes consistently, as you noted last week when they forgot about how in the show Robert and Cersei did have a child together.
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I think D&D have a fundamentally superficial understanding of these books and do not understand why they are good.
They are like of people on message board who say the books are great because “anyone can die!” as though any five year old could’t write a story where everyone dies.
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The show is promoted by the catch phrase “anyone can die” – whether it is simply a marketing ploy or if it reflects the creators’ lack of understanding of the source material remains to be seen. I haven’t read any interviews with D&D so I can’t say if they understand the underlying themes of the books but from the way they’ve consistently undermined the female characters and the fact that they’ve cut Arianne suggests that they have misunderstood at least one of the big underlying themes of the books.
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Their understanding of the themes is “themes are for high school book reports”. I’ll let you be the judge of whether they grasp it.
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Wow, did they actually say that!
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SyrioForel,
Good that you brought up that interview where Benioff said that, I recall it well from when it was published and found it told a lot about the showrunners’ thought process:
It’s from 2013 and can be read in full here: http://grantland.com/features/the-return-hbo-game-thrones/
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Wow, they are rather disrespectful! – any type of really good narrative art is about more than plot and characters. It is also about ideals, fears, society and what it means to be human! Martin’s books have several themes: the struggle of women to find their own place, power and agency in a society that constricts them enormously, the failure of parents as well as how the younger generation is left with the messes the old created and how children pay for the sins of the parents. There’s also what damage wars do to people and futility of the will to power. These things are what makes a story interesting beyond the surface of the plot and the characters and resonates on a deeper level.
Benioff has written novels so I find it hard to believe that he’s not aware of the importance of thematic content in narrative art. Then again, his novels might be quite bad if he thinks that such things are unimportant. I also wonder if they think that themes are unimportant only in television. I do think that the way they denigrate this subject may have something to do with how they appear to struggle with adapting the source material.
GRRM’s books are extremely difficult if not impossible to adapt successfully to the screen – and adaptation must take into account the sprawling plot and the multitude of characters. This must be condensed and streamlined to work successfully on the screen – and i suspect that such work would be extra challenging if the thematic content of the original story must be highlighted as well. I think that they have taken the easy route and just focused on moving the plot along without all of Martin’s digressions and that means that they’ve ignored the thematic content as well as the internal coherence of the characters. Instead, they’ve gone for the cheap solution of shock value. A choice that may very well have been influenced by the highly competitive nature of the television market. However, it does mean that they’ve produced tv of lesser quality and that have less staying power beyond the immediate future since shock value doesn’t age well.
This certainly proves that they they only think in terms of plot, titillation and shock moments. I’m not convinced that they really think about the characters either since they given several characters the shaft. They’ve whitewashed Tyrion a lot, they completely misunderstood Catelyn and Brienne, they haven’t done much with Sansa and they have made LF rather stupid.
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